How to update the portable version?

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@PeterJones, Thanks for try to help, and just in case, excuse me for my english.
ок…
Its debug info(before update) #1

Notepad++ v7.5.1   (32-bit)
Build time : Aug 29 2017 - 02:35:41
Path : D:\taravasya\Soft\PSoft\NP++\notepad++.exe
Admin mode : ON
Local Conf mode : ON
OS : Windows 10 (64-bit)
Plugins : dbgpPlugin.dll HexEditor.dll JSMinNPP.dll mimeTools.dll NppConverter.dll NppExport.dll NppFTP.dll PluginManager.dll XMLTools.dll

And this is plugin/folder

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This is just unzipped version #2:

Notepad++ v7.8.5   (32-bit)
Build time : Mar  4 2020 - 11:04:20
Path : D:\Temp\106\npp.7.8.5.bin\notepad++.exe
Admin mode : ON
Local Conf mode : ON
OS Name : Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 (64-bit) 
OS Version : 1809
OS Build : 17763.1098
Plugins : mimeTools.dll NppConverter.dll NppExport.dll

and this plugin folder:

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And finally updated(copy all files/folders but config.xml, contextMenu.xml, shortcuts.xml) version #3:

Notepad++ v7.8.5   (32-bit)
Build time : Mar  4 2020 - 11:04:20
Path : D:\taravasya\Soft\PSoft\NP++\notepad++.exe
Admin mode : ON
Local Conf mode : ON
OS Name : Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 (64-bit) 
OS Version : 1809
OS Build : 17763.1098
Plugins : mimeTools.dll NppConverter.dll NppExport.dll

PeterJones

@Вася-Тарарин ,

Those help debug the problem. Before, I thought you were using the Plugins Admin entry from the Plugins menu to install the plugins:

but since you said,

And finally updated(copy all files/folders but config.xml, contextMenu.xml, shortcuts.xml) version #3:

The problem is that between your old version (v7.5.1) and the new version (v7.8.5), the plugin structure changed. DLLs no longer go directly in the plugins folder: they each go in a subfolder with the same name as the DLL. I have modified your picture for the first few plugins, but you’ll have to do the structure for all 9 (actually 8: see below) of the plugins you showed, with the newly-created folders in red:

The 8 vs 9: do not install PluginManager.dll. It is incompatible with Notepad++ v7.6 and newer. Since Notepad++ v7.6.3, there has been a fully-functional Plugins Admin (shown in the English menu screenshot, above) built into the Notepad++ executable, and you no longer need the old PluginManager.dll to manage plugins, and if you try managing plugins with PluginManager, they will not be properly installed in your Notepad++ v7.8.5.

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@PeterJones, thanks a lot!
I have now all my favorite plugins worked.
About PluginManager/Plugins Admin. At this moment, I removed PluginManager.dll from plugins folder. But as before(after failed update), and as now(after successful update and remove PluginManager.dll) I used Plugins Admin for managing plugins anyway. And… as before, as now, i`m steel cant install any update of plugins or install new plugin, because of NPP dont restart, but just closing if i try install/update plugin.

PeterJones

@Вася-Тарарин said in How to update the portable version?:

I have now all my favorite plugins worked.

That’s great.

I used Plugins Admin for managing plugins anyway. And… as before, as now, i`m steel cant install any update of plugins or install new plugin, because of NPP dont restart, but just closing if i try install/update plugin.

Interesting. Normally when we hear of an issue like that, it’s because of proxy settings. I don’t know if you’re on your own machine, or in a corporate system with a proxy server set up by your IT department. If the latter, you will have to run Notepad++ in Admin mode, setup the proxy, as described in this linked post; after that, you should be able to run normally, and hopefully Plugins Admin will correctly download and install plugins after that. If you’re not in a proxy-based system, then I don’t know why that would happen, and someone else will have to jump in to offer more suggestions of how to debug the issue.

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@PeterJones Hi! No I dont use/have any proxy. Its my home pc, and I never use proxy, and steel cant use Plugins Admin. So… maybe I can give some more info?
I have dissabled brandmauer and I dont use any antivirus(because I have eyes & brain :) ).

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I want to add… Previous version (v7.5.1) update plugins / install plugins / and then restartNpp with no problems.

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And one more thing… I cant delete any of plugin with Plugins Admin. So… I think my problem not related to any network things…

PeterJones

@Вася-Тарарин ,

As I said, I was out of solid ideas for things to try or look at. The problem is that your system behaves differently than mine under apparently-similar circumstances; a fresh unzip of Notepad++ v7.8.5 32-bit has no difficulty with restarting after installing the plugins you have mentioned.

A couple more ideas today

going back up to your post from last weekend, with the Debug Info #3, I see that you’ve got notepad++ in D:\taravasya\Soft\PSoft\NP++\notepad++.exe. What happens if you unzip it someplace else? For example, to the Notepad++ folder on your desktop, or to %temp%\Notepad++ – or if both of those are also on your D:\ drive, then in some writeable folder in the C:\ drive. Does it have the same problem, or does it work? (maybe there’s something unique about your D:\ drive or the PSoft folder hierarchy – I don’t know what “PSoft” refers to).
Similar to the previous, I see that you were running in admin mode. Maybe try running not in admin mode, either from the PSoft subfolder or from the c:\ drive location from my previous suggestion
Finally, maybe some strange event is occurring between the attempt to install the plugin and restart (whether from some other application on your system, or some strange way in which Notepad++ is interacting with your system), which prevents the install and restart from finishing. I know that one of the regulars here often brings in an event-watching tool – I think it’s @Ekopalypse using one of the Windows power-tools that I don’t understand: maybe he can help you through the process of getting that running, and looking for events that might be halting the process prematurely.

Hmm, I just reread your most recent post, and saw that you can’t delete any plugins – I had previously read that as “can delete”. If you can’t delete the plugins through the Plugins Admin, that really looks like a permission issue to me… so that strengthens the case for either trying non-Admin, or trying in some other folder hierarchy. I’m really thinking it’s a permissions issue.

Ekopalypse

@Вася-Тарарин

the tool @PeterJones is talking about is called Process Monitor.

In your case I would create two filters,

process name is notepad++.exe
and
process name is gup.exe

Click the OK button.

Stop the monitoring via File->Capture Events.

Make sure that the three options
“Show File System Activity”, “Show Network Activity” and “Show Process And Thread Activity”
are activated.

Start the monitoring via File->Capture Events.

Do your action, wait a little bit and follow then what procmon recorded.
Maybe this will help to track down the culprit.

Btw. you can toggle the “Show … Activity” buttons at any time.
It shows or hides the related events but does not delete them.

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Thank you, Peter and Ekopalypse. At this time steel have problems…

@PeterJones said in How to update the portable version?:

What happens if you unzip it someplace else?

No. This dont help :(
Fresh unziped npp in couple folders and disks(and in disk root too). And Plugins Admin steel can`t do his work.

@PeterJones said in How to update the portable version?:

I see that you were running in admin mode

This happened because I use TotalCommander(what running with admin rights) as file manager. And then I start npp from TC, npp run as admin too. But I was try to run npp from windows explorer, npp was running NOT in admin mode, and its dont help too.

@PeterJones said in How to update the portable version?:

Finally, maybe some strange event

Will try Process Monitor…

@Ekopalypse said in How to update the portable version?:

Maybe this will help to track down the culprit.

I did exactly as you say, and in results I see some strange(as I think) records. But I cant figure out what it can mean )))))
So… I upload saved log files of Process Monitor. May be if you can look at them, it can flash the light at this story.

google.drive folder with logs
I did three times with different folders.

And one more thing. I was try to use npp on my second PC, and looks like there Plugins Admin work as it should be.
So… I can assume that the problem is specifically in the operating system of my working computer.

Ekopalypse

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From the logs we see that gup.exe is not started at all.
It is searched for and also found, but not read completely.
In the logs we can see that only 524.288 bytes are read.
But there should be more than 700.000 bytes.

This is strange.

Can you please open the Explorer and switch to
D:\taravasya\Soft\PSoft\NP++\updater?
There just double-click on gup.exe. What happens?

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@Ekopalypse
First this:

And then its try to install not portable version of npp

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@Ekopalypse
I install npp with downloaded installer(not portable), and from this version I have successfully installed plugin with Plugins Admin and successfull restarted npp too.
:-/

Ekopalypse

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Strange, I use the portable version exclusively and I don’t seem to have that kind of problem.
Did you always test with the 32bit version?
The question why I’m asking is that I saw in your log that the
gup.exe file is assumed to be ~700KB but for 32bit ~567KB is ok.
Could you try to replace the gup.exe from the installed version with
one from the portable version and retest?

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@Ekopalypse !!! Excellent!!

Despite the fact that the GUPs are identical in size, replacing the file helped me!!! Plugins Admin start to work and I update all my plugins!
Moreover, when I returned the GUP.exe from the portable version, the plugin manager stopped working again.
So, I can state the fact that in the archive, of a portable version npp.7.8.5.bin, was a damaged GUP.exe.
Many thanks for the help !!!

andrecool-68

I use only the portable version. And I have no problems updating.
This is my backup for any version of Notepad ++:
Imgur

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@andrecool-68 may be my problem was only with current downloaded zip…
Thanks for the screen with backup configs.
BTW(I think this info will be is useful here)… I use the Cloud options for store my configs. With this option, I dont need to control what files copying while update, because npp use config files placed in this location:

(of cause you can choose your desired ) and ignores those configuration files that are in the npp folder.

Ekopalypse

This is unsatisfactory because I don’t understand
how this problem was generated,
but the most important thing is that it works for you again.
So let’s hope it stays that way.

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@Ekopalypse can I do something else to try debug the problem?

Ekopalypse

To be honest, I’m still confused about this issue.
Thank you for your offer to keep trying troubleshooting,
but right now, I have no idea what could have caused this.